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Resources 6G for Joomla 1.7 - Discussion of new architecture
Please let's discuss here the new architecture ideas we want to implement in Resources 6G (or 1.6) for J!1.7

Idea #1
Change type architecture. Instead of using field plugins use standard J1.7 field elements. It means that tables jos_js_res_types, jos_js_res_fields will be deleted. If you create new type you simple create standard Joomla form XML file with different type fields. In this case we do not need type and fields tables as it will be stored in 1 XML file.

What we think would be an advantages.
  • Less tables less queries
  • Utilize native Joomla form generation tools and interface
  • Easy to create new field
  • Easy to format form display
  • No need to load unused plugins. Field is called directly
Idea #2
Depreciate jos_js_res_record_values table. Not actually delete this table but change it significantly and do not use for purposes it is used right now. It will not be used to form article views either list view or full view. It will be only used AS index for filtering and sorting. All required article information will be stored in jos_js_res_record table. So actually there will be no need for processing every field before display. All fields will be processed before save record and saved with record.

Also this will make it easier to calculate filters counts.

What we think would be an advantages.
  • Very big increase in speed

Comments

  • Clowride

    By ClowrideVIP More than 6 month ago
    First idea is good but will we have the sames fields( poll, gallery2, relate, ect) ?
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    The names will be changed. No gallery2 or relate3. May be we will separate functionality to different field types. For example we may create gallery_yui and gallery_noob instead of having one field with different settings.

    I mean we think that it is better to have more simple fields than few complicated. We want to keep fields parameters very clear and not many.
    • Clowride

      By Clowride More than 6 month ago
      ok but currently we have powerfull fields
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      If I want simple field parameters, I would go with ZOO ;-)
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      Serously, advanced and vesatile parameters... that is exactly the most impressive part of Resources. There must be a way to keep this functionalities. Maybe an additional "layer" for complex fields? I would suggest to have a look on Drupal... for inspiration. They have simple fields as a basis, and also field-formatters, that change the input/output capabilities.
  • Maik Kaune

    By Maik KauneVIP More than 6 month ago
    Sorry for asking again: You are talking about the next-gen Resources here?
    You are going to release a "converted" Resources that runs on J! 1.7+, right ?!? I mean a compatible clone of the current 1.5.9 ?
  • den2009

    By den2009 More than 6 month ago
    @Sergey, i personally support the idea. @ Maik, @chloride , u guys should reconsider the notion of using database as a storage for plugin settings, storing and retrieving in a file is a standard if you want to have a fast website.
    • Clowride

      By Clowride More than 6 month ago
      no comment
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      I don´t mind any new technique... but reducing the features or usability must not happen at all. XML sounds good to me. Joomlapolis product CBsubs and also their up-coming CB 2.0 will utilize this extensively!
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    Maik Kaune
    I mean a compatible clone of the current 1.5.9 ?
    Unfortunately not. it will be 6th Generation of resources. I mean right now though it is 1.5 version is is actually 5G, because we had major update for every next version key. 6G means it will be next generation of 5G (current). I do not think they will be much compatible. I would say even raw refactor from J1.5 to J1.7 make it almost incompatible but with changes we want to do it will be all-new.
    Maik Kaune
    There must be a way to keep this functionalists. Maybe an additional "layer" for complex fields?
    We will not trim functionality. We not only will keep it we also will try to make it better. i am talking about simplifying UI. For example right now about 120 type parameters from will be moved to templates. This will simplify type configuration. You will set only logic, rules, behavior parameters. All display options will be moved to templates.
    den2009
    @Sergey, i personally support the idea
    Good. Because your opinion is usually very strong. And very valuable of course.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      Sorry, than I don´t understand any of your previous comments in the other 1.6 related topics !?! Because you were definitely talking about a "compatible" release. Not about a total re-write. I remember, I asked for it 3-4 times. Anyway, I am not against your 6G thoughts and planned project... I only doubt that it will be available in a reasonable timeframe.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      To be honest: I wonder on which comments and replies we could rely on :-(
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      @Sergey How did you format those "quotes"?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      There is a button quote in editor menu. Select any part of the text on the site and click that button. It will insert selected text as quotes with quote author name.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      Ah, found the quotes button, sorry. What about an italic text format? There is only bold.
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    Maik Kaune
    To be honest: I wonder on which comments and replies we could rely on
    I know. It may looks wired. But during my work to adopt to J1.7 I met problem that I need to 80% of the code. To be true I create new component based on old. And I felt like it would be not to much smart to spend time and efforts of creating new extension but actually create same extension with same problems. I though that if I refactor all the code anyway, why not to change architecture.

    You see, the current Resources architecture is the source of all unsolved problems. Especially speed problem. We cannot improve things without changing architecture. Even Resources 1.5.9 that has new speed improvement changed its architecture. But only a little not to create too many problems during update.

    If we now will be able to refactor Resources it will not only make it better it will also create platform for inventing new features. Right now build upon Resources is complicated because it is already heavy. But new architecture will open possibility for extending Resources functionality.

    Yes, it is true that at first we just wanted to adopt Resources as it is. But process has changed our attitude to it.

    Incompatible does not means that there will not be way to migrate to new version. It only means that migration will be more complicated than simple update with SQL patches.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      I will "nail" you on your migration promise!!! ;-) If the total re-write eats the same development time than the 80% changes... I am with you! When it needs less time – you got a new fan and friend for lifetime.
  • neoketsord

    By neoketsord More than 6 month ago
    Great to hear you guys are constantly working on improving your products! I think resources as a product as a lot of potential when looking at the broader development of the web.

    I think those are the 3 most important improvements for a new resources:

    1. Loading time
    I think loading time improvements would indeed be great as speed is a crucial factor. Have a look at this infographic for some interesting stats on how loading time affects the succes of your website.

    2. SEO
    Current resources is not very well SEO optimized by itself, and there are also some critical factors which make good SEO optimization very difficult. For example, for SEO it would be much better if the taber field would support the option to create a unique URL for each taber.

    3. Migration from 1.5
    I think a tool for a smooth migration is essential to keep us all on board

    And also some more general side remarks:
    4. It is very important to also keep the flexibility of the current resources product!

    5. I think it would be an asset if there would be a (third?) party developing better design templates for resources frontend component, modules, filters, etc.

    6. Good support for mobile templates will become more and more important

    Best,

    Koen
  • den2009

    By den2009 More than 6 month ago
    Koen, you nailed it, good suggestions.
  • Lorielcide

    By LorielcideVIP More than 6 month ago
    If refactoring the code is the best choice to get the best out of Resources, I think everyone will support you. But please keep in mind, that many users are hoping that you will provide a Resources migration tool from Joomla 1.5 to 1.6/1.7. I believe nothing is impossible.
  • h934824y8hc3fj¡

    By h934824y8hc3fj¡ More than 6 month ago
    @neoketsord
    3. Migration from 1.5
    I think a tool for a smooth migration is essential to keep us all on board

    I agree a migration tool or even manual process is esential to keep us on board.
  • Maik Kaune

    By Maik KauneVIP More than 6 month ago
    Sergej said "...use standard J1.7 field elements..."

    Recently took a quick look into Seblod 2.0 fields, they seem to use and also extend the J! elements. Maybe it is too limited for advanced field options etc. I might be totally wrong here with my limited J! API skillz Maybe an interesting source and approach to check out.

    Your XML idea sounds great. Regarding your aimed multi-CMS support, maybe the right way.

    By the way, where to put new feature requests for 6G ? Would you mind to open a new product/category, please?! This topic is only for the general structure.
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    Maik Kaune
    . Regarding your aimed multi-CMS support, maybe the right way.
    not for this version. Right now we are discussing native Joomla 1.7 version without cross CMS support.
    Maik Kaune
    By the way, where to put new feature requests for 6G ?
    Not possible yet. Let us release first beta and see how it looks and works and what it has. Then we start accept new features requests. Right now our plan is to transfer all current features to new version.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      Ah, ok. J! 1.7+ only ... again a new strategy ;-) Maybe "feature" was not the right term. I mean, there are so many little things to improve. There are a lot of requests and discussions in the old support/request area! I am not talking of brand new features... just changes and improvements.
  • den2009

    By den2009 More than 6 month ago
    1
    Sergey, thank god that you decided to stick with Joomla, not multi CMS. If you want to dominate the market in your niche - focus on one solution. [for Joomla] - supporting bugs for all major CMS will be extremely tough and you will not have time to do coding but answering support questions.
    I still believe in you guys, and i know ME will be a best seller.
  • Petter Konrad Sandvik

    By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
    1
    I hope it will be possible to update from Joomla! 1.5 to 1.7 and in the same time update Resources from 1.5. to 1.6/new version?
  • ngarasan

    By ngarasan More than 6 month ago
    I would be happy if there are any update about this version of Resources.



    Or at least, I know you are working on it.
    • Clowride

      By Clowride More than 6 month ago
      cuurently they are working on this new version but it is lot of work because i think code is refactored to increase speed and futur update
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
    any one can create poll to see if members want Mighty extensions integrated with joomla! only or other CMS ??
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      As far as i know, the decision is already made by ME. For the near future and first releases: Joomla-only. (Makes a lot of sense to me)
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    1
    ngarasan
    I would be happy if there are any update about this version of Resources.
    We are working on new versions of our components. Please see my other comments in this thread.

    As explained, we want to provide you all the beautiful features of V1.5x in our next version together with a better internal concept and improved UI. But we have to create a lighter structure to handle bigger load and improve performance dramatically.

    I don't want to give an exact release date, since out of experience, unexpected things always happen and we might not be able to keep our promises and this will create additional tension from the users.

    We're planing also a convert utility to update existing installations to the new system. But it might happen, after we finish the new version, so that we don't waste time in always updating migrating/conversion tool while we still develop the final version.

    All what i ask is some more time, since this is a much bigger step than what we experienced when we moved from V1.4.x to 1.5.

    Thank you for all your patience and be assured that we working hard on the next version to provide you with the best CCK for Joomla.
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan More than 6 month ago
      Ah great.. Knowing that you and team are working on it is really a good news. It would be greater if you can spend a minute of your precious time to write a short progress news on your blog. Even only a word, it tells that we are waiting for something. Will you release New Touch at the time you release the Resources?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      Touch will be released earlier. Although we do not think that Touch without Resources gives much of features. But we will see, may be someone will use it for something :)
  • More than 6 month ago
    Здравствуйте, хотелось бы возможность привязывать типы полей к категориям раздела
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    1
    Sorry for long silence.

    I know you all are eager to know the Resources development process. So it is in progress. Although it is yet very slow as we also in progress of moving our development to other country (Philippines) but we are in progress.

    I'll try to submit in the blog some information about want have been done so far.
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
      Why do you move to Phillipines? Will the Kyrgizy be closed?
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      so give us link of your blog
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      Kyrgizy will be opensourced in 2012 ;-)
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      Did you already make a decision on the core architecture? Regarding your mentioned idea #1 and #2 in your first post.
  • More than 6 month ago
    Демо-версия уже есть?
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    1
    Maik Kaune
    Did you already make a decision on the core architecture?
    Yes. I did. #1 is completely there. We will change fields from plugins to field elements.

    #2 Also in place. There will be table like js_res_record_values but little bit different. And it will be used only as values index for filtering.

    Actually so far I am very satisfied with this new direction.
    Демо-версия уже есть?
    Пока нет
    Здравствуйте, хотелось бы возможность привязывать типы полей к категориям раздела
    Об этом думаем но тут все сложней. Очень трудно будет осуществить существующий функционал с такой архетиктурой. Потом надо будет система где надо выбрать категорию прежде чем добавить статью. Но мы об этом дамаем. Пока что это ни как не вписывается в текущий концепт. Оно как то просится или так, или так. Но нам кажется что свойства лучше оставить для типа чем для категорий.
  • ngarasan

    By ngarasan More than 6 month ago
    I am glad you are still here Sergey..

    You know, while waiting for "any" progress of Mighty Extensions, I am testing combination of component, Jomsocial, Zoo, etc..

    And once again I have to say that I need an integrated component for CCK, Community, Membership and etc.

    And so far, Mighty Extensions is the only complete and integrated component with ONE weakness: No Joomla 1.7 version!

    So please forgive me for my inpatient.

    I hope, the new version will be as complete and integrated as previous.
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
      With a few improvements to the Mighty Extensions, there will be much easier, and alot of more users of it. If there was a controlpanel for each component, that did show icons to the different functions, insted of that you need to navigate to the diffrent extensions. This would make it much easier. And with test-articles with more there could be much easier to understand for new users.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      Petter, you need to repeat it. Because after reading it twice i still cannot understand main idea in your post.
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan More than 6 month ago
      I think, what Petter mean is, ONE control panel for All Mighty Product (Resources, Touch, Membership, Registration, etc) rather than separate access. :)
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      It means one page with big buttons linked to different extensions?
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan More than 6 month ago
      I like this idea. A single access for all product. And Petter mentioned about test-articles. I guess, what he mean is a sample content. But you have it already. The sections packs. Well, may be you should provide more sections packs. :)
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
      My idea is: If you have installed example Commerce, Resources, Invoice and Registration, then You get incons in f ex Commerce to do actions in Userregistration, in Products, in Product categorys and The Invoice system - for if you have installed Commerce, you must use this other components also to use it. To make a frontpage in each component, and/or make separate frontpages will make users understanding the compoents faster and better. In fact, you could made two "ideas" out of this: #1 Improve the Assitant with links/icons to ALL the extensions. #2 Make f ex in Commerce icons with links to Product list, to Product Types, to Procut Categorys etc.
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
      And the section packs: When INSTALL is complete of a component, you shuld in the COMPLETED NOTICE at installation page and/or FIRST TIME view of component get a message: "Do you want to install sample content?<br>This will make you understand better the different functions - its recomanded for new users."
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      I see. I got you both. I'll keep it in mind. Because it is really handy. We have something like this in commerce where on CP you can see buttons Add Products, ... which actually point to Resources. Also better hint flow (or every at least some) would be great to get started. I do not think we will be able to do it for current version but we will try for new version for J1.7
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    3
    I have to report that development of Resources for Joomla 1.7 started in full cycle. It means we have one dedicated developer and me from time to time working on it. At the begining of the month we will get another developer who already used to work here but left for another company 2 month ago, and now coming back.

    So if before it was slow process mainly of conceptualizing and slow development (as much as i could do it myself) now it is in full process and we can see results every day.

    As i said I'll post some videos of what it looks like soon on our blog. As soon as I get more free time.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      :-)
    • Clowride

      By Clowride More than 6 month ago
      great news, yes i am back :)
  • h934824y8hc3fj¡

    By h934824y8hc3fj¡ More than 6 month ago
    1
    It would be nice that next year we would be able to use every Mighty Extension in Joomla 1.6 on production sites.
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
      When the Joomla! 1.5 is not getting more updates, it shuld be possible to upgrade, before that.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      We will try. But only Resources, Membership and may be (means not sure) Touch.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      what about Message and Registration
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
      If you shuld earn money on Mighty Extensions you need to convert to new versions, so we can hope :) Anyway, i will only use Mighty Extensions as long i can, anyway of its supporting J! 1.7 at this point or not.
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    2
    Hi everyone. Some new notes about development. I am getting excited about that.

    Back-end is finished all except record list.

    Front-end, we are working on article submission form. And here is the list of what new features you can expect.

    We understood that template is a real power. So we invented 2 new templates.

    1. New "category select" template. This template actually more like form element type.It is a way to select category on submission. So it may be list of check boxes, ajax tree or sequential select. That is because there may be 10 or 100 000 categories based on our experience. And we want to provide easiest way to select correct category but not as "Only way".

    2. New Markup Layout. This is layout that includes all other layouts. Right now it is default.php file. it includes filter templates, menu, record list, category index, etc.. You can ajact all those template but you cannot change their positions. With Markup Layout you will be able for example to draw filters as column on the right. And category index over or under filters or even as menu block or whatever. This template is not to style outward appearance, but rather position other templates. This wonderful feature will allow to create template sets which are not only modernly styled but specially positioned.

    That was templates. More new features are coming on templates. templates will be the real feature.

    One of new features also is to group fields inside the content type. This will be used later on submission form and article full view. Right now Default submission form template got 30 new parameters which will allow you to manage core fields like Create Time, Expired, Features, etc with simple access level. You can turn on and off new save buttons.
    • Apply
    • Save & Close
    • Save & New
    • Save as Copy
    • Cancel
    And manage labels of all all fields and buttons. I know you could manage labels even before and it is not new but new is that it is not in the template parameters rather than in type's parameters. This made type's parameters cleaner.

    Another option for new "default" form submission template to change group display type. If you grouped fields then you can set how you want to display it in Tabs, Sliders, Fieldsets or Pages. Then administrative fields and meta fields will be treated as separate groups.

    We spent a lot of time thinking on form validation. Now we have both as server side validation as JavaScript validation of every field (where it make sense to be validated by JavaScript).

    Category manager totally changed. Now it uses nested sets technique. it means no more recursive queries on categories drawing. Any category tree will be selected with single query.

    I should also say about filters. Extended filters are gone. Because every fields will have filter interface. In Resources we had to build filters upon already developed system. Filters were invented in Resources 1.3. But by that time we could not change a lot of things so we have created some extended system. And core filters worked universally for every field. Now every field will have its own filter interface and for some fields even filter templates. like for example range filters may be displayed as slider.

    I'll try to keep you informed on future progress.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      My arms are getting goosepimples ;-) ... in other words: I AM EXCITED!
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      Step by step submission is good and powerfull feature, i hope that you add it !
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      and turn fields on/off feature too
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      What is turn on/of? You can unpublish field. Is it no what you mean? And also "Page" is only template view. Do not put to much hope for that. It means that like tabs all form fields are on the page and only shown by pages through clicking <<<Prev Next>>> buttons at the bottom. But actually it is simple Javascript behind which just hide/show groups of fields.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      i want mean that each field depends on the other, the second field appears only if i valid the first field.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      and for step by step submission is a multi-page form submission mode
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune More than 6 month ago
      andi.amine means Conditional Fields , e.g. in CB made with jQuery/jqueryUI http://www.joomlapolis.com/cb-conditional-short-review ... another introduction http://vimeo.com/31783914
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      Yes , conditionnal fields and multi-page submission mode ! great features !!
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      I see. It looks great. I'll keep it in mind. And even if we do not release first version with this feature we will definitely structure base so it could be easily implemented later.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
      Andi, now I understood what you want. You want combination of conditional fields and pages. It means next page depends on what you have entered on first page. Got you. We will se what we can do :)
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine More than 6 month ago
      yes thank you, there are some joomla! components use this features ! it will be nice if you add it in Mighty Resources :D
  • Hussein Amr Shaffei

    By Hussein Amr Shaffei More than 6 month ago
    i have previously request a special customization to related field by adding an extra value to the selected related field
    i want to know will this customization be included in the new ver.(as you told me in the mail)
    also do you expect the new version 6G to be released in one or two months
    i know that you don't want to be committed to a specific release date but i am asking because i have new project an i want to do it with mighty resource at lest give us a range of time
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov More than 6 month ago
    Hussein Amr Shaffei
    i know that you don't want to be committed to a specific release date
    Hussein Amr Shaffei
    i am asking because i have new project an i want to do it with mighty resource
    That is why I cannot tell. Our situation with JED still unknown. What if they never unblock our account? What if... or if... There are so many different things that can influence. Even European crisis can definitely slowdown development process.

    I do not want to tell you even say 3 month and then you fail with this promise. So I do not know the answer. We will try to release it somewhere in 3 month.

    But please understand. We not refactor. We completely write new Resources frontend. That means that first release may be even alpha. We of course will be quick to fix everything as soon as it is out. Also Resources will work only for new projects. Only after it is stable we will start working on Migration tool.
    Hussein Amr Shaffei
    i have previously request a special customization to related field by adding an extra value to the selected related field i want to know will this customization be included in the new ver

    Yes. There will be possibility to add additional relationship properties. About relationship I have to say that it is going to be integrated into Resources. Related fields will only have params how to display parents or child lists. All relationship options will be set inside type parameters.

    I know this may become a big trouble for migration from old resources to new, but here is the question.

    "If we refactor everything anyway, should we sacrifice speed and usability to compatibility?"
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik More than 6 month ago
      Migration tool - use the Section Pack that you already have, its a very nice tool! Then its easy, and its made, only fix to get it work with new ver :)
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      I am not sure if it will work. We will need to make packer that pack all Resources. As I can see right now, a lot of things changed. Although we try to make it as much upgreatable as possible, even right now it is very complicated task.Not only DB structure changed, but also logic of storing data in fields too. It mean on update we will have to parse every field value.
  • Hussein Amr Shaffei

    By Hussein Amr Shaffei More than 6 month ago
    OK thanks for your quick answer as usual

    this really help to make mind
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    3
    New update.

    Very very cool feature. Type independent filtering. It is not yet done but we prepared architecture of extension so filters will not be bonded to field ID but to field type and label. For example you have field Price in 2 different types and it is field type digits. Even if you have different record types in the same category list, you will have filter Price that will be applied to any records type in the category/section which has this type of field.

    New filtering system is awesome. As I said there is not extended filters anymore. Every field has it is own filters. For example we created field digits. This field allow to enter only integers or floats with limited number of decimal. On the other hand this field has it's own filter which looks like 2 knobs slider



    Some interesting news on new uploader we are going to use all over Resources. Please watch attached video.

    Attachments:

    watch this!
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      I guess..., I am forced to strike out one of my 6G-feature-requests ;-)
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      Good features thank you !! u must add a new colomn for uploaded files to show icons of files extensions ( Zip, PDF....)
  • ngarasan

    By ngarasan 3 months ago
    Love to read some progress your team has made. Uploader is really cool. But I still can not imagine how the filter works. I am so dumb.
    Anyway thank you for the update..

    I wish I could see how resource manage the page outline. Really hope to see a flexible and simple way to assign any field on a page. Customizing template is useful for expert, but if you can make it as simple as moving your mouse on screen, it would be really-really great..

    And, how you manage multiple type in one category?

    I am sorry. I am so human so never can say enough
  • Maik Kaune

    By Maik KauneVIP 3 months ago
    Wishlist:
    Please, keep those very helpful "total nums" in filters and advanced search! Recently I had to checkout and validate all CCK solutions for search and filter capabilities. From usability point of view: Resources is second to none! Yes, there might be some performance issues... but in general I am totally addicted to this feature.

    In ME Resources, users can see at once how many items has which property/value, and before they actually do their filtering! Its essential and crucial in my humble opinion.

    I could not find any other Joomla (CCK) search with such a feature.
    If I visit a site with a search form without any hint about the actual items... and where it makes sense to start from... I simply don´t use the the search, or I leave the whole site. Simple as that.


    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      By the way, i would like to see a TOTAL NUM of all items in a "section". This counter could be usefull on the advanced seach page or a search module... as soon as I narrow down the search... the results TOTAL COUNT is adjusted and displayed accordingly (AJAX?). Maybe a good ALTERNATIVE to send the form via a good'ol GO button. So, results do not have to be fetched and displayed in a whole.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      That will be not difficult in new Resources. By saying not difficult I mean without slowness consequences. New resources will have FULL TEXT SEARCH. We have create special column in js_res_record table with will store all searchable texts. This column will have Full Text index. And we will do full text search there. So no more LIKEs :) Also every records remember what section it is. So easy to count records in section.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Sounds great. Regarding search... a real AJAX LIVE search on TITLE would be great (e.g. facebook user search). Maybe this can be extended on 1 or two optional fields?! Or even let the admin decide which field to use for this search mode. So search can be restricted to the minimum needed... this should keep it fast as possible.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      That is what we did. All searchable fields store they searchable texts in one field and also it adds title and user name and email and other information all in one field. And it will be very easy to search with ajax or without ajax because there is not JOINs needed on SQL search query.
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    ngarasan
    And, how you manage multiple type in one category?
    I'll try to explain although my english is limited.

    In old current resources we can draw filter only of one type. It means that if there are 2 or more content types in the came category we cannot show filters at all. Because imagine you have 2 types Phones and Pads

    Phones has fields that are filters
    • Price
    • CPU
    • Camera
    • Color
    • OS
    And Pads has fields which are filters
    • Price
    • CPU
    • Camera
    • Size
    • OS
    In current resources if you want to show filters of category with this two types it will show 11 filters. 2 Prices, 2 CPUs, 2 Cameras, 2 OSs, 1 color and 1 size. Because every filter is bond to field ID. It means when you apply filter it looks record that contain something as value where field ID = xxx

    In new system this will show 6 filters. 1 Prices, 1 CPUs, 1 Cameras, 1 OSs, 1 color and 1 size. It will automatically detect that Price is the same article property and you will set only one filter for price to filter records of any type with field Price.

    That means that we will not hide filters on multi type categories. We will always show filters but more filters you will apply, less filters you will see.

    It also means that next Resources will be multi type native. If current Resources has only fixes to be able to use different types in one section but even then with limitations, next Resources will not have those limitations.
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan 3 months ago
      Ah, thank you for the explanation.. I get the point..
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Do fields SHARE their properties amongst different types? Is data/values bound to a field? Or is a field just a seperate object with definition and properties? In current Resources a copy-operation copies the field AND the associated data.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Mike, fields are still not an aliases. And if you copy article you replicate values. If you copy types you replicate fields. But difference when it filters, it use (WHERE field_type = 'text' AND field_title = 'Price' ) instead of (WHERE field_id = 10). This is all complicated. because now we try to invent some search indexing techniques just like search engines do. This new scheme allow as not to be bonded to field ID any more without making things slower.
  • Clowride

    By ClowrideVIP 3 months ago
    Really powerfull !
  • Maik Kaune

    By Maik KauneVIP 3 months ago
    1
    For a super-successfull start, Resources 6G should have a simple 1-click migration. (you might have seen this little button in K2's upper right corner ). Auto-create and import of the current J! content structure... THIS will make a big difference too many users!
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Even better! Please add a SECOND BUTTON: K2 migration (with Extra fields!) And you will have a lot of new users. Believe me :-)
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      I am going nuts... A THIRD BUTTON with label ZOO :)
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan 3 months ago
      @Maik Kaune: I like your idea!
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Those are good ideas. I feel like we will do at least one button :)
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      i like it too (MIgration form Zoo, K2, Flexicontent, Sobi)
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      @Sergey Which one is first ;-) I would suggest to add J! core as a minimum. Its the easiest. For Marketing reasons I would add K2 ! I guess the base structure is very similar, and parsing their simple extra field(s) should be a managable task. It would convince K2-lovers to switch to a real CCK with advanced fields, adv. Search and filters. You could setup and promote really cool before-and-after demos :-) (Sorry, Fotis)
  • ngarasan

    By ngarasan 3 months ago
    Sergey,

    I am curious. When you and team develop this New Resources, what vision you have? I mean, do you plan to create "Swiss Army Knife" extension or focus into specific usage?

    Of course, both have advantages and disadvantages.

    Developing a "Swiss Army Knife" extension will give us unlimited option but will create a complicated and obese system which slowdown the speed and difficult to understand (because a huge parameters there)..

    And if you focus your vision into a specific usage, of course we will have a limited option (and honestly I don't like that), but we will get an efficient, fast and beautiful extension and also easy to maintain.

    How do you manage this dilemma? Or may be you have the answer already?

    Because, I have an idea for a website and the only extension which can provide the features is Mighty Extensions (From Registration, Touch, Resource and etc). I can say that everything is possible with these. But then I face a problem with so many parameters there and customizing the template is nightmare. And suddenly I say to my self, I wish I could find a simple extension for my project but having the features as great as and as integrated as Mighty Extension.


    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Thanks for your previous comment ;-) I am also a great fan of Resources and Joomla world... but you might also have a look beyond it... did you ever try Drupal and its distributions? Or Expression Engine 2 ? Worth a look, believe me.
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan 3 months ago
      Actually, I am developing a website using Drupal 7 (Not yet finish). I really love with the "Book" feature and there is an extension for "fans relationship". But I feel something missing with Drupal which makes me back to Joomla + Resources. I have added the "Book" and "fans relationship" to feature request on the Mighty Website and still hope that the feature will be available in resources..
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Ah, I see. Then you know what I am talking of ;-) You should open feature requests on AngelDesk -> Ideas
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan 3 months ago
      Yeah.. It seems that I need to re-write my previous Feature Request on AngelDesk. Thanks for the suggestions..
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      "Book" is a specific solution, and i am sure you can realize and build a similar concept with next Resources. Hopefully. Reminds me on the missing article navigation "previous/next", which was a little drawback! Would be really cool to have a Prev-/-Up-/-Next navigation option in Resources 6G!
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    1
    Here is some more videos about article submission.
    watch this!
    • Clowride

      By Clowride 3 months ago
      WAOOUH very exciting thank you
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan 3 months ago
      It looks different from the previous Resources. And it looks more Beautiful!
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Tasty!
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    ngarasan
    I am curious. When you and team develop this New Resources, what vision you have? I mean, do you plan to create "Swiss Army Knife" extension or focus into specific usage?
    Hmmm, that is very interesting question. I could write 10-20 pages answering this question
    ngarasan
    How do you manage this dilemma? Or may be you have the answer already?
    I know it is hard to manage. People are like this. They want it simple but complex. You know like magic stick. It is extremely simple. There is no parameters at all. It simple do what you want by itself. That is what people want. And although it is not possible in real world we try to reach this level as far as possible.

    Next resources will have less parameters bot more clear labels to easy understand meaning. On the other hand the same parameters will become more powerful.

    Although you sometimes want very simple system you still use resources although it is complicated because it is flexible. This means that in fact you do not want more simple solution, you just want your live to be more simple (my apologize . Me too. I would like to make simple extension with 10-20 options. That would take much less time and efforts. Much easier to support and debug.

    But we also use our extensions not only for our own sites but for some of our clients like UN, MCN, ... We know if we make it simple we will have to make it more flexible at the end anyway to conform request of contemporary market.
    • ngarasan

      By ngarasan 3 months ago
      Yeah You're right. I can not trade the flexibility of the Resources with the simplicity.. But I have an idea about simplicity. I will write it in new comment..
  • ngarasan

    By ngarasan 3 months ago
    About Simplicity..

    For me, the most exciting thing about Mighty Extensions is the completeness. I can build any kind of website with extensions provided by Mighty Extensions.

    The problem is, it looks a bit complicated for novice user (people without programming knowledge). Actually, I am one of this novice people but keep trying to improve my knowledge to get huge benefit of Mighty Extensions.

    Of course, it would be fine if your market target is experience and expert users. Then, just ignore my next comments.

    So my wish is, is it visible for Mighty Extensions to have kind of Themes/Apps?
    When I said Mighty Extensions, mean combination of your products.

    Here is the idea:

    There should be a feature in your global extensions (let say something like Mighty Assistant) to upload a Themes or Apps (what ever it called).

    With this Themes or Apps, a novice user can get an instant website for a specific purpose. For example, a Themes or Apps for "Computer Store". Of course, there is prerequisite that inform user to install required Extensions such as Resources + Commerce.

    Then, with only several click, a novice user will get a powerful website powered by Mighty Extensions.

    Other Example, a Themes or Apps for "Social Network Website". With this Themes or Apps, a novice user only need to upload the Themes or Apps which will ask the user to Install required Extension such as Touch + Registration + Resources.

    And, with several simple click, an instant social networks website created!

    Benefit..
    • More market target (novice user)
    • Another product for sale : Themes or Apps.
    • Opportunity for 3rd party to develop the Themes or Apps.
    • and more..
    I am not sure my English can express my idea completely.
    I just hope you can get the point I want to share..

    Thank you..
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      This idea is flying in the air for long time. Actually section pack was started under that idea. In theory the finality of section pack, should be what you have just said. We thought that at the end it will create or install preconfigured apps or themes. You just install app Job postal and it is ready. Perhaps we will something like this for our new extensions for Joomla 1.7
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Yes, Section-Pack was a nice idea in the right direction... though i have some annoying issues and some complaints about it. Its a beginning. By the way, Seblod2.0 is heading for a "marketplace" which will serve as a pool for pre-made types and apps. IMHO, Seblod HAS TO open such a marketplace. Otherwise, their product is not complete and would be useless for many users... The export/import package feature is working great. Type building is interactive, but its not very intuitive or speakable. Even for longtime Joomla users and sitebuilders. Its really hard to get used to it. I really would like to use it, but I am still curious if it is a good choice at this moment. Would i replace Resources with it? Mmmh, i am not sure. No doubt, it has some cool stuff and ideas, but it lacks some basic things like a Category-Index! This and more has to be build and developed from scratch?!? Maybe a simple and easy task for the core developers, but not for the average CCK user. What I like about Resources: Its more self-explanatory, some important parts are build-in. Maybe this will be continued in 6G... the product itself does not need a "marketplace" to become "complete" or usable. Even though an "app" exchange is a really nice addition, and potential income for ME (e.g. ZOO apps price tag ;-) )
  • Lorielcide

    By LorielcideVIP 3 months ago
    Maik Kaune
    Sounds great. Regarding search... a real AJAX LIVE search on TITLE would be great (e.g. facebook user search).
    I already did that in my website with the help of another php scripts.

    Based on my experience, I must assume that Resources will never created for a novice user that want to create something instantly. Resources need a serious user that willing to learn with a powerful processor/server because of its complexity/resource intensive. In other words, we can't have simplicity and flexibility in Resources. Any flexible system is built on complexity.

    When we have Resources 6G for Joomla 1.7 in our hands, I'm pretty sure that we must start from the beginning. I don't know about the learning curve but for what I've read from Sergey's Update, we can't depend our previous knowledge about Resources 1.5.x to use Resources 6G. We must willing to spare a lot of time/effort to learn this awesome extension. Then the famous last words will be: Are you willing to start over again?

    I admire the outstanding effort/vision that ME developers have been show these years. But these days, I keep asking my self, what will happen to my website if there is no upgrade solution for Resources 1.5.x. I think I'll get stuck with Joomla 1.5 forever. Starting over again will be like a pain in the ass because I must design the system again, create its types and fields then migrate the content one by one. Are you willing to do that? I'm sure everybody will answer no.

    BTW, I'm just sharing what I have in my head right now. Maybe this thought already floating around in the minds of others.

    Regards,
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      "...I already did that in my website with the help of another php scripts. ..." Are you talking of 3rdParty AJAX search modules, which work with the J! search plugins? Or a custom and integrated solution?
    • Lorielcide

      By Lorielcide 3 months ago
      Hi Maik. You may said a custom one. With a little bit of thinking and creativity, you may have what you need in a matter of time. I'm a novice in PHP and MySQL and I believe you even can get this thing run easily. I use Ajax AutoSuggest (codecanyon.net) and customized it to my needs. In the process, I added new table in the database, use cronjob to update the database regularly, and set the settings of the php script.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Ah, i see. Something completely different ;-) Thanks for the suggestion, I will keep it in mind. By the way, J! module rokAjaxSearch v2.2 did not work at all, no results. J! module PIXsearch NG does, but could be faster. I guess your extra table brings better performance.
  • Lorielcide

    By LorielcideVIP 3 months ago
    Besides whining as a Resources user , I have a suggestion for Resources 6G:
    • Filter in ajax mode
    • Displaying category contents in ajax mode
    • User search history
    • Total solution for SEO especially ability to modify title meta tags and ability to add canonical tag (automatically or manually) to minimize duplicate content
    • Reduced inline javascript
    • Compatibiliy with site optimization extensions like JFinalizer. Currently I have an ugly URL like client=resourl-Suce and client=nxjhqtmmhz in my website. I'm afraid there is something wrong between JFinalizer and Resources (Content List Module)

  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    Lorielcide
    When we have Resources 6G for Joomla 1.7 in our hands, I'm pretty sure that we must start from the beginning.
    I am pretty sure you must not. This is one of the line we keep in mind. Although it is changed significantly inside and a lot of new features will be added to existing features, the workflow will stay the same. You create section, categories, type, fields. That is it. nothing new.
    Lorielcide
    I admire the outstanding effort/vision that ME developers have been show these years. But these days, I keep asking my self, what will happen to my website if there is no upgrade solution for Resources 1.5.x. I think I'll get stuck with Joomla 1.5 forever. Starting over again will be like a pain in the ass because I must design the system again, create its types and fields then migrate the content one by one. Are you willing to do that? I'm sure everybody will answer no.
    You are right here. It will be not easy to migrate. But you do not have to. If your site is working, let it just continue work. I think when R6G is out it is more for new projects. For those who start new sites and want to base it on J1.7. But later we will make some migration that will automate process and make it less painful but still as you mentioned complicated.
    Lorielcide
    Besides whining as a Resources user , I have a suggestion for Resources 6G:
    All noted
  • Lorielcide

    By LorielcideVIP 3 months ago
    Sergey Romanov
    But later we will make some migration that will automate process and make it less painful but still as you mentioned complicated.
    I'm willing to do something painfull as long as there is a solution for migration. Thank you for your quick reply.
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    3
    New feature! Titleless records. That does not sound too exited at first but we create ability not only turn title off but create composite titles. Composite tiles are hidden and create dynamically on save.

    Let say you set composite title style and set composite mask

    [12], [25] ( <b> [11] </b> )

    Where [11], [12] and [25] ids of the fields. At the end your title will looks something like this

    BMW x5, 2008 ( $25 000)

    This type of titles very useful in many cases.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      very very good feature ! ! thank you !
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Like it!
    • Petter Konrad Sandvik

      By Petter Konrad Sandvik 3 months ago
      I saw the big differense between 1.3 and 1.4. The differense between 1.4 and 1.5 was gigantic! And now i see, 1.6 is not bader than the devlopment of the others! I look forward to a better MightyExtensions :)
    • ghofrani.saeed

      By ghofrani.saeed 3 months ago
      nice feature . thanks
  • Clowride

    By ClowrideVIP 3 months ago
    yes really great feature
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    1
    I need your suggestion. This is very conceptual.

    Before we had filtering mode. In 1 - whole section, 2 - current category and 3 - category and its subcategories. There was reasons for that. I want to delete this. I want to make by default if you enable filters, it looks in whole section.

    Current resources has this 3 methods because not category multi type native. Our recommendation was that even if you use multi type in section, to store at least one type per category. We had limitation of hard to list multi type records in one list. And look in category and its subcategories was reasonable.

    In new resources not only 1 template (even custom) will support multi types but there also will be type filter which will allow you to switch what type of records to show in filtered search result. If in current resources you have to navigate to category with records of one type only to start filtering in new resources you can start filtering at any page.

    So here is the advantages I think of
    • Less options less errors/bugs
    • Easy to understand with only one mode (this parameter is one of the most hard to understand)
    • Start filtering on any page and get multi type results
    • Much better performance
    • Intuitive for end user
    I think it will work this way.

    If there are multi type in the result we will show only common filters. I mean same filters. For example all fields has field price and color. So you will see price and color filters along with record type. But if record type is on or there is only only record type in potential result, you see all filters of this type.Example. Here are types and their filters.

    Type 1: Price, Color, Size, Weight
    Type 2: Price, Size, Standard

    If potentially there are 2 types in result you see only Price and Size common filters. If type 1 all filters of type 1.

    BTW we now use codename "Black Ice" for new resources version
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      like the codename! Regarding multiple types: Your explanation makes sense. If there are no technical problems or restrictions like in v1.5, than I suggest to look at it from the end-users point of view. Usability rules. At the moment its difficult to judge it... Me myself had a lot of struggles and knots in my mind: I have a eventlist with 3 types in one section. The only drawback was... i could not display filters on the main list view. Except for the search and category selection. I really liked the ability to show different fields for each type in the main list! I did not want to reduce this to the same fields. With your 6G explanation i can overcome all those limits. sounds great.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      The more I think, the sure i am that this is correct way. I can add categories as filters along with category navigation.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      Good more powerful !!
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 3 months ago
    Hii @Sergey i have a small and powerful feature that i wish you add it, cross-category feature

    Here exemple to understand this feature :

    For exemple i have two different categories with differents subcategories but one or more subcategories share this two categories, i want you to add option to add cross-categories in the current category manager

    this feature decrease the number of repeated categories.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Here we can get a problem. We can add related categories but category aliases impossible. Because now we use nested set technique. This technique use left and right columns to identify position of the category. This means it is almost impossible to make is subcategory of 2 different categories. But idea is nice. If you have any technical concept how it could be done I am ready to listen.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      related categories will works like cross-category feature ?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Not exactly. We do not have cross categories. I meant that is we can do something similar to what you ask it will be related categories. For example when you create category, you select also already create categories to make them related. Then when someone access category on top he see list of related categories like "See also ..."
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      ah ok ! , it's good feature it's not the same of cross-category feature but is very important feature ! and simple to implement! i want it ! this feature will help me !! in my project ! thank you ! i hope that you add it !
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      We will :)
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      goood !! mighty resources still the best
  • Maik Kaune

    By Maik KauneVIP 3 months ago
    TAGS - TAGGING:

    I would like to see different tagging modes. Something similar to Drupals Taxomomy or K2s. I am talking of FREE tagging and PRE-DEFINED/SELECTABLE tags. The latter is ideal to keep unified terms and lower-/uppercase writing.

    I also like the Resources 1.5 feature, where already existing Tags are searched and displayed... AFAIK it searched the current users tags only? Could it search in ALL Tags, CURRENT users tags, PRE-DEFINED categories, ... ?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      The current tagging system is using all tags ever created with ability to create new on the fly. It is with auto complete option. It looks like when you enter names in Facebook to send message. Only tagcloud module will have parameter to restrict by current user. In other cases tags will shown of all section or article. Is it what you mean?
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Sounds good. "Auto-complete" is an alternative to a PRE-DEFINED tags repository. This will minimize "typos" and slightly different "double-entries"... which are really annoying on user-generated content.
  • 3 months ago
    Any news on Beta release date yet?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      I am not sure we release it this year. But hopefully we release it by the end of January.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Take your time!!! Its ready, when its done.
  • jacques

    By jacquesVIP 3 months ago
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    User Categories

    User categories (and mixed/private mode for sections) is a great feature, I think it's underused today. Some improvements would be welcome.

    (1) Menu link for users categories.

    A menu link to show the users cats in a given section. Currently, we can list the user cats of a given user, not for all users.

    For example, say a section in private mode is used for blogs, each blog being a user cat.
    Currently, no way to list all the blogs.
    We can list the articles in all blogs, the blog authors, but not the blogs themselves...

    In this users-cat list, filters would be those of the section type(s) (euh filterable fields in the new type architecture), and also those of Touch userlists (I mean alphabetical by name/username, and all the rregistration fields set in Touch registration plugins).

    In the given example, people would be able to filter blogs written by authors "involved in php development" , if "involved in....' is a registration field.

    This requirement is not a geek wish or a customer-king's whim, it was asked by my severe teen beta-testers who are also final users. They want to see at once blogs or galleries created by everybody, or by chosen people, without having to go ten times to each people profile.

    (2) Control access for users cats

    Currently, user can set user cat access to Public or Registered.
    It is not enough, and it's even useless: bet I, user, want to keep my blog secret to the external world.

    Beta-tester said "If I set access to Registered, so, any dog with a hat (french for "really any anybody") who wants to get it just have to register and get my secret pictures...."

    I asked betatesters whether the control access of groups as it exists in Touch was what she expects, and yes, it is.
    Great, great: to be able to select friends and/or people having some rank. The problem above is avoided this way.

    So the same access control system yet implemented in group creation should be used for user-cats access...
    Furthermore, using the same mechanism would give a still better feeling of integration between Touch and Resource.

    (3) Default values for user cats

    To be able to set default values of some type fields when creating a user-cat would be great.

    Two examples:
    (3.1)In a e-bay-like site, a collector creates one user-cat per kind of items he sells.
    Say a user-cat for cars.
    As he is a Ferrari collector (we can dream), the cars color field would be set by default to 'red'. All this user-cat content would have this default value when creating it (needs a bit of Ajax when he fills the user-cat field in the form to set the defaults values...) Example is stupid maybe, but I'm rather sure that web designers have real world examples!

    (3.2) In our blogs (user can have several blogs, each blog being a user-cat), style (I mean skin, fonts, backgrounds, layout etc) is expected by users to be the same for all articles of -this- blog.
    User defines style by choosing among a set of predefined relate-parents records (or creating her style records if user is patient and savvy) its fields values being the css properties. (these records from a special section "Style")

    It's not user friendly to make these choices for each blog article.

    It should be done at the blog level, not article level.

    Furthermore, users want to be able to modify the skin or the fonts, for example, at once for all the articles of her blog. It is not currently possible.
    The only way is to have default values for these relate fields, set by user-cat editing.

    I see two ways to fill this requirement.
    • First is to link a "special" record to the user-cat, the field values of which would be used as default values.
    • The second would be to have the default-settable fields shown in the create/edit user-cat form.
    I much do prefer the second solution, because the first is not at all user-friendly, and needs explanations, which are never read by users... which make the first solution unusable in real-world of real sites filled by real users.

    Furthermore, all the fields don't have to be set by default (for example, for blog articles, it's rather stupid to default the main html text).
    By setting a new parameter in each back-end field form (default-settable-in-user-cat, yes/no), we can choose which parameter is to be shown in front-end user-cat form.

    The problem can come from user-cat using several types (berk, I don't like the idea...)
    But: is it the case? What does it implies in the new fields architecture?
    I cannot answer, not enough knowledge about Black Ice!

    (3.3) In whatever mixed or private mode section, it would be useful. For example in galleries. I don't see any example where it would be useless.

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    That would make Resource greater that the greatest it is yet...

    Jacques
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 3 months ago
    What about integration of others Mighty Extensions (Touch, Message, Permission, Registration...) in The new Mighty Resources ??
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Not immidiately. Because we will have only Membership (codename "Green Grow") and resources (codename "Bkack Ice") for Joomla 1.7. Integrations will be added along as we realese of new extensions.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      ah ok thank you :)
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    3
    Started to update blog on mightyextensions about Black Ice development. Please check from time to time I plan to post there 1-2 time a week.
  • h934824y8hc3fj¡

    By h934824y8hc3fj¡ 3 months ago
    Nice to be able to follow your day to day fight
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Nice to see you here following :) hope you will like Black Ice. This will also work as proof of concept.
  • ghofrani.saeed

    By ghofrani.saeed 3 months ago
    1
    I have a useful Idea :
    Is it possible to add a Ajax repeat submit functionality for a field or a group of fields ?
    I mean if we enable the repeat parameter for a field, then when submitting the field value we will be able to add a new repeated empty field .

    Also we can have a repeat functionality for a group of fields .
    first we add the repeat group field with status parameter set to start like the tabber field and then add a repeat field with status parameter set to end . now on this group field we set the repeat functionality to On . So a ( add new values for this group of fields ) will be added to the submit form using Ajax .

    this functionality is good for following instances :
    . repeated URL fields for Links center on a post
    . having an advanced Blog ( Group of fields ) inside a post
    . having unlimited number of videos on a post
    ,....
  • ghofrani.saeed

    By ghofrani.saeed 3 months ago
    Ajax Pagination Idea :
    it is so usefull to have Ajax pagination for a group of fields in a post .
    first we add a goup start and group end parameters using group field like the tabber field .
    then we set the number of groups to be added on each page in the group end field parameters. so now if the number of repeated groups are more than this value a new page will be added to the post . the important note is that the pagination functionality must be Ajax , so we do not need to refresh the page since we are on the same post .
    we have a paginator plugin for joomla but it is not ajax . you can see the demo here
  • ghofrani.saeed

    By ghofrani.saeed 3 months ago
    Ajax Tabber Idea :
    I think it will be so better to have Ajax tabs loading the defined fields using the tabber field . so this way just the first group of fields loads with page load and when we click on another tab other fields content defined in that tab load . so this way page load time will be so small compared to the simple tabber plugin which load all the fields contents .
  • ngarasan

    By ngarasan 3 months ago
    Hi,

    Will Black Ice support Multilevel of Field or Conditional Field (what ever it's named)?

    I mean, condition where a user is prompted options (it can be combo-box field or others) and behind each options there are different field to fill. So, when a user select A option, the user will have to fill Y field. But when the user select B option, the user will have to fill Z field.

    Thank you
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    1
    ngarasan
    Will Black Ice support Multilevel of Field or Conditional Field (what ever it's named)?
    Yet it will. But not in first version. First version we release without this feature. But we keep it in mind. So we do everything to prepare Black Ice for few new features in next version. Those are Conditional Field, Version Control, JIP (Just in place editing), Multiply fields (something like ability to copy field. Say you added URL field and if Multiply enabled user may enter few URLs as many as it is allowed in settings.).

    Everything will be ready for those features and architecture will be created to support all that.
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    ghofrani.saeed
    Is it possible to add a Ajax repeat submit functionality for a field or a group of fields ?
    Yes this is what we wan to add. I am not sure though if that feature will be available in initial release but surely in next version.
    ghofrani.saeed
    Also we can have a repeat functionality for a group of fields .
    That is more complicated. Wee need to discuss it separately. Please add Idea here and we will discuss it more closely.
    ghofrani.saeed
    Ajax Pagination Idea :
    it is so usefull to have Ajax pagination for a group of fields in a post .
    ghofrani.saeed
    Ajax Tabber Idea :
    I think it will be so better to have Ajax tabs loading the defined fields using the tabber field .
    I think this will be possible to do on the level of article template. But also require additional discussion. Please add separate idea for that here.
  • Ken Webber

    By Ken WebberVIP 3 months ago
    I need some advice on this Topic. I know you guys are hard at work on the new Resources. But I need to make a new Website and wanted to use some new updated software. I was going to instal Joomla 1.5 so I can use your current Resources and make my site now then later upgrade my Joomla and Resources when you guys release it. But it says If I install Joomla 1.5 I can't upgrade it to 1.7 later and that means if I where to start working on my Website now I would never be able to use your newer software when its released. Is all of this true? If so should I wait till you guys Release your G6 version instead? and lastly I know its asked a lot and you can't give a real release date but do you guys have a Ball Park guess for when it Might be released?

    Thank You.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Certainly you are able to upgrade your 1.5 site to a newer version. The important question is: How complex is your project and how much it is related to 3rd-Party extensions... in general you will be able to "migrate" a J!1.5 site to 2.5. I am sure jUpgrade will support J2.5 ... http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/migration-a-conversion/joomla-migration/11658 But this tool is for core content, system stuff and selected and supported extensions only. Important: I am sure, Resources will not be supported by this process! Although, there will be a solution by ME for Resources 1.5 to 6G. Or at least a tutorial and help how to deal with content and type migration... but all this will take some time... the same applies to a final and full-featured Resources 6G version. It will take its time to be finished and to become bug-free. Hard to give an advice, as usual it really depends on your project and timeframe... If you need to start your project NOW, and the feature set of Joomla15 and Resources1.5 does work for you... why not start today?! If you don´t need Joomla17/25 new ACL... i don´t see any good reason for the new Joomla version. If you just want the latest and greatest, or love to use the new System anyway... then just be patient and wait for Resources 6G ;-)
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      If it waits, i would suggest to wait. Because it definitely cost to wait Black Ice. It should be great extension. And yes it is true that there will not be any migration tool from 1.5 to 2.5 At least till next version of Black Ice. I do not think that start anything on J1.5 with idea of migration later is good idea. the efforts of creating 2 sites will be to expensive. I mean you create one site and i few month you have to update with is may be even more complicated that create site from scratch.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      One last thought. In general NEW software has "teething problems". Those "problems" may also eat a lot of time and money. Hopefully J2.5 will be a stable and rock-solid basis ;-) ... and BlackIce as well ;-)
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      True "teething problems". But i hope we will fix all problems very quickly. In hours not even days. We will make new build every day first few weeks after release.
  • Ken Webber

    By Ken WebberVIP 3 months ago
    1
    Thanks for the advice, I have started work on the new Website and its looking great. The idea I had for the site I guess didn't need more features then what are available in the current stuff so I went with that and its fine. I will save blackice for my Main Website as I have to rebuild most of it anyway.
  • Xtream

    By Xtream 3 months ago
    Hello Sergey,

    Can you tell please, how will look in 6G, article multi-language input.

    Joomla 1.7/2.5 had her own multilingual method, but on my opinion, very uncomfortable (we need manually, recreate full site structure for all languages...)

    Will you use Joomla's build-in multilingual method or will you provide your own, more intellectual and user-friendly method?
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    Xtream
    Can you tell please, how will look in 6G, article multi-language input.
    Right now we do not have any concept with that. We only implement old language model. It is when admin may choose to list all records of current language or all languages.

    This king of logic is useful for non-translatable sections. I mean when there are mane different languages on the site, and articles submitted into section on different languages by different users but articles are not subject to be translated.

    And for sections where all articles have to have parallel translation copy we do not know yet what to do.
  • Petter Konrad Sandvik

    By Petter Konrad Sandvik 3 months ago
    Sergey: One easy question. I have read much of this topic but im unclear:
    Will it ever be possible to migrate Resources database in Joomla! 1.5 to the new Resources in Joomla! 2.5?
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    1
    Petter Konrad Sandvik
    Will it ever be possible to migrate Resources database in Joomla! 1.5 to the new Resources in Joomla! 2.5?
    The answer is YES. But not immediately. May be with next key version on Black Ice.
    • h934824y8hc3fj¡

      By h934824y8hc3fj¡ 3 months ago
      These are the best news. Not being able to update to newest versions of Joomla+Mighty was a great handicap. My site in 1.5 is growing more slow each day, hope with new updates in J2.5 we have this solved as it is a shame that such powerful Mighty sites, couldn't work faster. best regards.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      Good ! my website is based by MR 1.5.9 and i would migrate to new Joomla
  • Sackgesicht

    By SackgesichtVIP 3 months ago
    1
    Sergey,
    another small improvement for a relate-parent/child field would be a parameter to define the number of characters to be displayed in a list view.
    I faced the problem, that some of the parent records were quite long and would destroy the list layout.

    A temporary fix was to include another parameter like this in the xml:
    <param name="limit_chars" type="text" size="3" label="Limit characters" default="0" description="Limit characters per parent. If 0 no limit." />

    and then to add something like this in the onRenderFieldValue of the relate_child3.php around line 260:

    // START limit Characters
    if ($params->get('limit_chars') && strlen($item->title)> $params->get('limit_chars'))
    $li[$i]->link = str_replace('>'.$item->title,'>'.substr($item->title,0,$params->get('limit_chars')-3).'...',$li[$i]->link);
    // END limit characters

    Maybe you can consider something similar for the next version ...

    Thanks ...
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    Sackgesicht
    Maybe you can consider something similar for the next version ...
    Relate fields finished already for Back Ice. I can add this but it have little bit different concept. When you display list of parents of children, you set template. There is also "simple_list" template that may fit very narrow columns. I may add this parameter to simple_list template to cut titles.

    You can look how it looks now



    Later I'll make small presentation video. I think there have to be separate idea discussion for Relation. Please would you add one
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Template approach was / is good IMHO. Also created a simple_records template in Resources 1.5 for the same purpose. Character limit is a good idea. Requested and use a similar parameter in ContentList Module to prevent unwanted linebreaks.
  • santehniki

    By santehniki 3 months ago
    Ну сколько еще ждть??? Хочется поскорее уже затестить, а то проект ждет
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    2
    Уже совсем немного осталось. Все в основном сделано только мелочи остались в движке. Ну там поля шаблоны позже. Пока только основу. Хотя уде 23 поля сделано разных. Включая отношения между типами. Думаю счет идет на недели.
    • 3 months ago
      И сколько недель осталось?))))
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Не могу сказат точно но надеюсь через 2 недели он будет собран и еще через неделю протестирован.
    • d.mihaylichenko

      By d.mihaylichenko 3 months ago
      А вы планируете раньше релиза опубликовать функции и изменения нового ресурса?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Нет наверно сразу в день релиза только сделаем список функционала
    • 3 months ago
      Жалко, так можно было бы подготовиться))
  • Ken Webber

    By Ken WebberVIP 3 months ago
    I had a suggestion from a while back. I figure I might as well repeate it while you guys are working on the new one.

    This is in regards to the new Ratings and Multiratins in Black Ice. I thought it would be a nice idea To make a version of this where users can input Half Point ratings, or .5 ratings.
    I know this might be a little tricky because you would need an image that represents a Half Rating as well. Maybe you can copy all the ones you are including in Black Ice and cut each image in a left and right Half. Then edit the Ratings Template background to carry a row of those images with 50% transparancy. Then when you display a Half Rating, (Or .5) you will see a semi transparent half. and if you keep selecting as many halfs as you need the other halfs make a whole.

    This is not a vital feature but some people get torn when they review certian things and want to give a little more or less to a review.
  • den2009

    By den2009 3 months ago
    Favorites/Bookmarks stored in a session
    Hi guys, would you be possible to "Save" an article into a Session - kind of like you have 'compare', but this would be a "Save" or "Add" , so that a visitor without login/registration could print out a list of business listings[articles] he saved while browsing my site?
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      Not a bad idea. Like "Bookmarking" or "Wishlist" for guests. Like the idea.
    • den2009

      By den2009 3 months ago
      Thanks Maik for support, i was using add to "Favorites" for visitors to add a business/hotel/attraction to a List [Add to itinerary ], but nobody seems to like the registration process, so i guess "Add/Save" for a temporary list into a session will work better.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Please add new idea.
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      den2009 wrote: "...nobody seems to like the registration process..." What about social or 1-click registration like on angeldesk... There are some solutions for joomla. Did you try one?
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 3 months ago
    Hi what about of the new optimisations of SEO Features ?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      We will provide SEF router. And also mechanism where you will be able to write your own routers. Metadescriptions and metakeywords for articles categories. Dynamic page title. To say simply we will make everything we know to make SEO easy. But you can help us to know more. Join discussion here and list all your ideas there. http://support.mightyextensions.com/en/mighty-resources-cck-joomla-component/ideas/SEO+features-370.html
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      Thank u i will join this discussion
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 3 months ago
    Hi i hope that u add an anti-leech system to download field it will protect from direct download so real paths to documents are never displayed to users.
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
      Sure. There is no other way to download file actually. Only through indirect urls. Yes it will have ability to protect download based on subscription.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      and without subscription ?
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 3 months ago
    3
    andi.amine
    and without subscription ?
    Depends on settings. You may protect download on paid base or download may be free if you skip subscription restriction. But there is never direct file path in URL.

    There will be even version to purchase download with buy now button of PayPal or 2CO or others. And even allow users who upload files in public sections to set their PayPal email and accept payments. It will be simple field based file download multivendor store without cart
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 3 months ago
      very great thank u !
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 3 months ago
      All without MEcommerce? Cool.
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 3 months ago
    what about multilanguage features ??
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
    andi.amine
    what about multilanguage features ??
    That will get nothing new so far. Just inherit features from resources. Those are language files, and section language mode.

    We would love to implement native multilang support but as I know there is no solution yet built-in-joomla
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      see plz this tutorial it explain how multilanguage is implemented in new Joomla! http://help.joomla.org/files/EN-GB_multilang_tutorial.pdf
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      Ok. That all possible. We will do that. Actually it is already there. We have lang tag for articles and categories.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      Good so with this features we can build maltilangu website
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 2 months ago
    Hi i would like to add control panel or dashboard in mighty resources it will be more beautiful !
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      what would be there on dashboard?
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      main icons (Records, Sections, Types, Tools, Configuration...) right module of stats (records number,number of users created records, comments number...) another right module verify component requirements
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      You mean in backend. I see!
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      yes of course, and i think it will be good in frontend too ! dashboard link who we can find latest added records, new comments, latest events, users that contribute...u know better then me !
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      Add new idea that we do not miss it in this long comments list
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      done !
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 2 months ago
    What about updates will be from a new Mighty Assistant or from the new Joomla! Update Feature ! ?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      I think new Joomla update feature. It is good enough. The only thing we are still checking if it will be possible someway to check paied file download access. It means that all free elements (plugins, extensions, modules, libraries, languages, ...) will be updated from Joomla core, and paid staff may be or may be not.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      ah okey thank u :)
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 2 months ago
    Hi, what about Fields Layout Positions feature posted in this link, i think it's not very hard to add it ?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      It is not extremely hard. But everything that require work with D&D and other things usually is more time consuming. But as I mentioned there we will add this to next black Ice generation.
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      Yessssssssss, thank you !
  • andi.amine

    By andi.amine 2 months ago
    Hi, what about the new features of Service Packs ( Bundles name more beautiful ) cuz i want create and develop some service packs and can be used for commercial use ?
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      Do you mean section packs?
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      ah yes i'm sorry ^^
    • Sergey Romanov

      By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
      They will be called "Redistributable package" and will be totally re-factored. It will be new section an back-end. Whole range of flexibility. many sections, types, include templates, files, users. Add users as new, recognize users, or change users to something you set. that system will be made so you can configure and even sell small extensions based on Cobalt. Ready to use forum or car auction (thanks to SSI)
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      Yeah its that what i want ^^
  • Xtream

    By Xtream 2 months ago
    Sergey, as I understand from comments above, you will leave a joomla's core multilang function? My opinion this joomla's core multilang function is not just a horrible but disgusting.

    The main problem, that we need manually to recreate full structure of our menus, categories and article. In Joomfish we have a possibility to translate only titles and alias of our menu positions, categories and articles, and leave global settings from default language as a default rule for all languages. In joomla's multilang systems we need to recheck everything in all language.

    I wish to show very cool multilang method for wordpress, maybe some ideas is possible to implement in Resources? Here is article about this plugin (it's on russian, but from video tutorial and photos (who don't understand russian) everything is understandable). What I like in this method..... that author can make all translations directly in first article/menu/category creation step. And he don't need to create anything manually!
    • andi.amine

      By andi.amine 2 months ago
      no all new joomla multilangue features are implemented !
  • Sergey Romanov

    By Sergey Romanov 2 months ago
    Xtream
    I wish to show very cool multilang method for wordpress, maybe some ideas is possible to implement in Resources?
    That is cool, cool staff. So greatly thought out. If I could I would wish to make something like that for Joomla. In fact it will not contradict. What i mean core Joomla support will not interfere with features like in your example. We will add Joomla like core support and we will see what of those features will be possible to implement in Black Ice. But i am not sure anything can be done on the level of one extension. It make no sense to me. There should be separate extension which handle all that.
    Xtream
    (it's on russian, but from video tutorial and photos (who don't understand russian) everything is understandable)
    Russian is my native language
    • Maik Kaune

      By Maik Kaune 2 months ago
      I think, the Joomfish method is much needed and very useful (for some reasons that Xtream already noted).
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